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Harley Oil, Any Good?

Discussion in 'Motorcycle Tech Talk' started by HellBoy, Nov 9, 2009.

  1. FLHTbiker

    FLHTbiker Moderator Staff Member

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    Surely there must be some Indy shops around where your at. Check em out and you will probably be able to get oil there.
    But don't switch back and forth from dyno to syn. oil all the time. Stick to one type and get a brand you like.
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    I got my bike at 3,500 miles with dino in it, and changed everything to Red Line synthetics. Kept syn in the primary and gears, changed back to dino in the engine only a few days after. I think HD wanted to change back to dino because of the dealership covering their ass for the warranty work being done. I miss the cooler engine, but not the added noise from syn in the engine. I'll stay with syn in the primary and gear, but will keep HD dino for now, since it was just changed a few weeks ago because HD was having a $30 oil change sale.
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    MCV is motorcycle oil
    SVO is severe duty gear oil.
    Amsoil makes a 75-150 that is better than the 75-110

    But Redline makes some 75-250 gear oil for the trann.


    I've been a amsoil dealer for over 5 yrs.

    Just do not push oil.
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    Good to hear from you cardboard . Can you help with more details regarding the 150 weight and why it might be better for my Dyna?
    No particular love for oil here..
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    hotroadking Super Moderator Staff Member

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    1 hd syn or dyno or any syn in the engine 20w-50
    I prefer Amsoil 20W-50 as a friend is a dealer

    Amsoil Synthetic gear oil in the trans, same thing good price
    works well, the Pink Heavy Shockproof is good too but I prefer the amsoil

    Primary I run syn ATF, Amsoil, Castrol, Valvoline doesn't matter..
    Clutch doesn't slip even with close to 140 ft pounds at the rear...
    then again it's a pro-clutch from rivera.
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    You can run Dino Oil or you can run synthetic Oil. It doesn't matter.
    Just keep it changed.

    I run amsoil MCV20-50 in the engine.
    I usually run amsoil SVO75-140 in the tranny,
    And I was running MCV 20-50 in the primary.

    Afer 30,000 miles of hammering my bike, the dealer put Formula Plus in the tranny and the primary.

    It was stated a few weeks ago from a Harley Mechanic that his choice for the Tranny was Redline 75-250 heavy oil in the tranny.

    Man thing is in the primary, to either stay with a dino or stay with a synthetic oil.
    Changing back and forth can cause gum in yer clutchs and cause them to slip.

    If you want to run Synthetic oil and can't find Amsoil or Redline, Wal-Mart has Mobile One 20-50 synthetic oil in V-twin oil
    Just do not use the cheap oil filters from Wal-Mart.

    I used to use Amsoil Oil Filters. And they are good and high micron.
    But started using the 171C K&N oil filter with the nut on the end.

    Drag Specialities also makes a Oil Filter with a nut on the end.
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    chucktx Moderator Staff Member

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    i am using straight 60 wt in my 06 geezer glide.......bikers choice....seems to run cooler....and i change at 2500..........
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    I often wonder if it was changing from the original oil to syn gummed up something and caused minor clutch slip. I'll get to the bottom of the issue eventually. Could be worn clutch plates, bad clutch adjustment, who knows? I may just hold off a few more weeks and change fluids in the Spring, since it'll be freezing here in a few weeks.
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    You may have to pull the clutchs and look to see if you have got sludge on them from going from dino to synthetic , back to dino, and back to synthetic.
    And clean up everything if you did.

    I would try adjustin the clutch 1st.

    How many miles do you have on the clutch's ?
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    Going to syn oil after using dino oil should help clean the motor better of any sludge build up, thats why you need to change it often.
  11. HellBoy

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    I've got 7,500 miles on the clutch, but do lots of driving in the city and use the clutch constantly in slow traffic. Now that I've been thinking about this, it's probably mechanical, because the clutch slippage happened after 3 adjustments, the oil wasn't changed in between.

    In case i wasn't very clear before, it was only the engine that went from original dino>syn>dino. The primary and gear oil was changed only once from dino>syn.
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    With that kind of riding you should have a firm hand shake but Now.:D
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    No reason for it to be slippin, ck adjustmentand yer manual.
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    I agree with cardboard, no slipping is acceptable. When I do the oil change, I'll have them take a look at the clutch and do another adjustment if the pads are OK. I might do this at an Indy shop here called Halo Cycles, if Harley gives me any grief about using Amsoil.
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    you can go from syn to dino and dino to syn
    it doesn't matter

    it's oil 20W-50 is 20W-50
    using one or the other won't gum anything up

    That happened years ago when detergents were not in oils to clean out sludge
    or if you don't change it at all and just want to ruin the engine it won't matter if it's
    dyno, syn or canola,

    I doubt syn is causing the slip or it would slip all the time and right after you put it in.

    HD's primary oil is either syn or dyno - so that's not the issue or they wouldn't sell it
    for the primary

    You have either worn plates or it needs adjusting on the clutch...
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    Tell him he can hint all he wants about using another oil other than Chavez's HD oil voiding your warranty, tell him to read up on the MM Act.
    I'm running Amsoil 20-50 in the engine 75-110 in the tranny and Type F ATF in the primary....all good.
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    When you go back to the dealer,
    and the SM hints about warranty violations for not using hd oil.

    Ask him when you can bring the bike in for a free oil change.
    when he says what? we don't do free changes..

    simply say this.

    "well, (insert dumbass's name here) it's like this, when a dealer or manufacturer tells a consumer that using the manufacturers parts are required to maintain the warranty, well that person is breaking a federal law, did you know that Mr. (Dumbazz?) yep and what that law says is if you require me to use hd parts and or services you have to give them to me for free, it's called the Magnusson Moss Consumer Protection Act, and it's governed by the FTC, and it was designed to protect consumers from unscrupulous dealers who try and intimidate customers into buying things they are not requried, I think the fines for this are per incident something in the $2000 per incident, so unless you're planning on giving away free oil changes to everyone I'd be careful what you say about warranty coverages."

    watch him squirm
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    Thanks guys. Lucifer, love that icon!

    Is it better to just wait until spring to change oils, since there's only a few weeks real riding left before it gets really cold?

    Not that I'm afraid of cold weather riding, in fact I enjoy it, it's that it costs me $220 month to keep it in a garage in NYC and I can store it at a friend's place upstate for free. That's assuming I get there before the snow and ice hit and prevent me from being able to ride the bike in. That happened very early last year (November). I'd like to ride until December 1st. Fingers crossed.
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    If I were storing it I would change the oil, fill it with fuel and put in sta-bil for the winter, won't hurt if you get it out over a weekend either.

    Don't go up there and start it to run for 10 minutes or so that's bad, you get condensation in the pipes and oil, nothing gets up to temp.

    Also put a battery tender on her, cover with a good cover, stuff the mufflers with rags to keep small animals out, you can put it on a jack to keep tires off cold concrete floor.

    Man I'm glad I don't have to deal with that...
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    if ya do like hrk suggests, and it is great info, after putting the stabil in the gas, run it for a bit to make sure it gets into the carburetor....will keep it from gumming up also....

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